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NWP and Bookend - Case issues

Posted: 2020-10-22 13:42:20
by dlrodriguez
I'm new and am giving NWP a test drive. One of the first things I tried is to make a bibliography with Bookends. Put in a couple references...a journal and a conference paper. It builds the bibliography and it looks ok, until it goes past the Journal title which is italicized. After that, the entire bibliography becomes small caps for no apparent reason. See attached. Any ideas how to fix this? I'll be honest, if NWP doesn't play nice with Bookends, I won't be able to use it. Thanks.
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David

Re: NWP and Bookend - Case issues

Posted: 2020-10-23 11:09:37
by martin
I'm sorry you're having trouble using Bookends and Nisus Writer together. Before we dig into the problem, a quick question: what versions of Bookends and Nisus Writer Pro are you using?

Bookends recently released a new version (13.4.6) to fix some issues that are very similar to what you've described. If you haven't updated to that version of Bookends, please try that first. If you still have problems let us know and we can continue to investigate.

Re: NWP and Bookend - Case issues

Posted: 2020-10-24 10:40:52
by dlrodriguez
Nisus Writer - 3.1
Bookends - 13.4.6

Re: NWP and Bookend - Case issues

Posted: 2020-10-25 00:45:26
by Hamid
What format is applied to the bibliography?

Re: NWP and Bookend - Case issues

Posted: 2020-10-25 03:59:12
by xiamenese
Hamid wrote:
2020-10-25 00:45:26
What format is applied to the bibliography?
I don't have that problem with italics, but, using "Chicago 15A" I find a few odd stretches appearing in a different font. The same stretches appear on the Bookends even if I change the format, or enter those stretches in Bookends itself. For me, it's easy to solve, but there's obviously something going on in Bookends. Here's a screenshot:
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I'll report this to Sonny Software.

:)

Mark

Re: NWP and Bookend - Case issues

Posted: 2020-10-25 09:12:48
by dlrodriguez
Hamid wrote:
2020-10-25 00:45:26
What format is applied to the bibliography?
I have tried 2 different formats: my own that I have built over the years for my AIAA papers and the standard APA 7th that comes with BE with no alterations. Here is what APA 7th looks like (same problem):

Re: NWP and Bookend - Case issues

Posted: 2020-10-25 10:35:31
by Hamid
Here is how my APA 7th appears:
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Re: NWP and Bookend - Case issues

Posted: 2020-10-25 10:45:19
by xiamenese
dlrodriguez wrote:
2020-10-25 09:12:48
Hamid wrote:
2020-10-25 00:45:26
What format is applied to the bibliography?
I have tried 2 different formats: my own that I have built over the years for my AIAA papers and the standard APA 7th that comes with BE with no alterations. Here is what APA 7th looks like (same problem):
This is why I think it's a Bookends problem not a NWP problem. For me this only happens in two of my entries; the rest are as required.
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Do you see the same in the Bibliography entry preview pane at the bottom of the Bookends screen? Do you see the small caps there? If all your bibliography entries like that, you might look at "Biblio > Formats Manager…" in Bookends, to see if you've got some setting there doing it. But I'd still get in touch with Sonny Software,

:)

Mark

Re: NWP and Bookend - Case issues

Posted: 2020-10-25 10:46:36
by Hamid
In Bibliography Options in the Format Manager for APA 7th, check the Case options; it may be that the drop-down menu is at "small CAPS":
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Re: NWP and Bookend - Case issues

Posted: 2020-10-26 09:18:53
by dlrodriguez
I have all those cases "as entered". no small caps anywhere as far as I can tell. Sonny Software could not duplicate the problem with my files.

Re: NWP and Bookend - Case issues

Posted: 2020-10-26 10:18:32
by martin
Thank you for confirming your software versions David. I'm sorry you're still having trouble. Could you please contact me privately by sending an email to:
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I'd like to continue working with you to try to narrow down the cause of the problem. Thanks!

Re: NWP and Bookend - Case issues

Posted: 2020-10-26 12:12:39
by dlrodriguez
Ok, made some progress. I wiped out my Application Support/Bookends directory and slowly added back my custom formats and my own library. Don’t see the small caps anymore. I have no idea what “fixed it”. If I see it again, I’ll be certain to see what changed and post. Thanks for everyone's offer to help.

Re: NWP and Bookend - Case issues

Posted: 2020-10-26 13:41:52
by dlrodriguez
I was able to stop this behavior by not using 9pt font as the default output.

Preferences->Default Fonts-> Size